The Top 17 Most I.P.O.T.F.S.B.

[RyanParrill]

Wager minds gave you their top 17. I was surprised the top 4 are ESPN employee's, not a company I tie to sports betting. Do you have a top 10? Mine (In no particular order after #1)...

Beyond the Bets
John Candido
Scott Van Pelt
Kreatture
Mike Wilkening
Kegs-n-Eggs
Todd Furhman
Joe Fortenbaugh
David Purdum
Haralabob

Honorable Mention: Dave Mason BOL - Andrews Sports - MLB Price Machine

[Beyond the Bets]

(07-11-2012 03:07 PM)RyanParrill Wrote:  Mine (In no particular order after #1)...

Beyond the Bets
John Candido
Scott Van Pelt
Kreatture
Mike Wilkening
Kegs-n-Eggs
Todd Furhman
Joe Fortenbaugh
David Purdum
Haralabob

Are you sure?

[RyanParrill]

(07-11-2012 03:14 PM)Beyond the Bets Wrote:  

(07-11-2012 03:07 PM)RyanParrill Wrote:  Mine (In no particular order after #1)...

Beyond the Bets
John Candido
Scott Van Pelt
Kreatture
Mike Wilkening
Kegs-n-Eggs
Todd Furhman
Joe Fortenbaugh
David Purdum
Haralabob

Are you sure?

Huh?!

EDIT: Shoe size? I may have ordered them 2-10 by that.

[spanishredeye]

Its not a real list without the number one sports information insider.

[ChiefZilla]

(07-11-2012 03:54 PM)spanishredeye Wrote:  Its not a real list without the number one sports information insider.

I assume you're referring to the IBN goon squad. #YOUmad

[spanishredeye]

#QUIT #BEING #JEALOUS #HATER #TEAMMONEY #BLAH #BLAH #UNITS #TRANSPARENCY

I only have interest in a few on the man, the myth, the legend RyanParrill's list.

Beyond the Bets
Todd Furhman
Joe Fortenbaugh
David Purdum

[lindetrain]

(07-11-2012 03:07 PM)RyanParrill Wrote:  Honorable Mention: MLB Price Machine

Appreciate the shout-out, but we really are a shitty follow. Two working guys who have their own personal accounts, so you don't get much good content from us in the Twitter world. Might want to work on that in the future.

[RyanParrill]

(07-12-2012 06:13 AM)lindetrain Wrote:  

(07-11-2012 03:07 PM)RyanParrill Wrote:  Honorable Mention: MLB Price Machine

Appreciate the shout-out, but we really are a shitty follow. Two working guys who have their own personal accounts, so you don't get much good content from us in the Twitter world. Might want to work on that in the future.

Transparency. And it's entertaining to watch it evolve.

[Beyond the Bets]

(07-12-2012 06:13 AM)lindetrain Wrote:  Appreciate the shout-out, but we really are a shitty follow. Two working guys who have their own personal accounts, so you don't get much good content from us in the Twitter world. Might want to work on that in the future.

[Edward-RAS]

@haralabob and @raspicks were glaring omissions.

[Beyond the Bets]

To be fair to WagerMinds, the RASPicks account has, like, a dozen tweets in the last two months.

Hard to call it a "glaring" omission. Not exactly active and visible.

[Skating Tripods]

(07-11-2012 03:07 PM)RyanParrill Wrote:  Honorable Mention: MLB Price Machine

Bullshit.

John Bobbitt's up more units than these guys.

[kreatture]

(07-11-2012 03:07 PM)RyanParrill Wrote:  Wager minds gave you their top 17. I was surprised the top 4 are ESPN employee's, not a company I tie to sports betting. Do you have a top 10? Mine (In no particular order after #1)...

Beyond the Bets
John Candido
Scott Van Pelt
Parker Michaels (@kreatture)
Mike Wilkening
Kegs-n-Eggs
Todd Furhman
Joe Fortenbaugh
David Purdum
Haralabob

Honorable Mention: Dave Mason BOL - Andrews Sports - MLB Price Machine

What the Carleton? Did BTB put you up to this as an attempt to get me to login and post on the forum again?

Well it's not gonna work! I'm not gonna post on.. crap

Well, where's my Welcome Back Cake?

While I'm flattered to even be considered to be on a list like this, I'm not sure how I could be mistaken for some of these Twitter legends. Was it my review on Savages? Or the photo of Anze Kopitar eating Slovenian Cocoa Puffs out of the Stanley Cup?

Either way, thanks, it made me chuckle! I recommend Colin Cowherd (@ESPN_Colin) or Chad Millman (@chadmillman) to hold my spot in line.

[Edward-RAS]

(07-12-2012 11:43 AM)Beyond the Bets Wrote:  To be fair to WagerMinds, the RASPicks account has, like, a dozen tweets in the last two months.

Hard to call it a "glaring" omission. Not exactly active and visible.

Not sure if it should be based on the past few months, generally a slow time of year for sports betting with only the NBA playoffs representing the big four sports (NFL/CFB/CBB/NBA). We have tweeted close to 150 plays in the past year or so, each one significantly "influencing" the market. If the list was described as anything but "influential" I probably wouldn't have taken exception to it. It is clear we influence the market (as much or more than anyone else on Twitter), what do the others influence?

I'll stand by my statement!

[mount187]

(07-12-2012 11:44 AM)Skating Tripods Wrote:  John Bobbitt's up more units than these guys.

I'd be offended if you didn't recycle this joke from earlier.

[RyanParrill]

(07-12-2012 11:47 AM)kreatture Wrote:  While I'm flattered to even be considered to be on a list like this, I'm not sure how I could be mistaken for some of these Twitter legends. Was it my review on Savages? Or the photo of Anze Kopitar eating Slovenian Cocoa Puffs out of the Stanley Cup?

Either way, thanks, it made me chuckle! I recommend Colin Cowherd (@ESPN_Colin) or Chad Millman (@chadmillman) to hold my spot in line.

You made the list because you spend your days betting on sports and openly sharing information. If someone has a question on a line, you'll respond. Do you think if the casual bettor asks Simmons/Millman/Cowherd/Rovell a question, they'd receive an educated response? Haha, not. It's not often you get a raw look at someone who does this daily, unless you count the meltdowns that the Tony guy has or whatever his name is.

My list included people from all sides of the industry (Behind the counter, occasional bettor, daily bettor, site that covers betting, etc.). I'm not going to put someone like Cowherd or Simmons on there because they're not educating the market, they're offering their opinions, and they're usually misinformed. (Aside from his blazing 5, I suppose bettors who can suffer through his show do enjoy that.)

As for Millman, I suppose he should be on the list. He ran with this subject when ESPN allowed it. I just find him to be nauseating and gave up on his material over a year ago. So recommending him would be a little back-handed.

ViewFromVegas, Fezzik, and Stuckey2 are great follows. I left them off because I don't follow them. VFV and Stuckey2 give me a little too much info, Fezzik disappears at times.

(07-12-2012 11:52 AM)Edward-RAS Wrote:  We have tweeted close to 150 plays in the past year or so, each one significantly "influencing" the market. If the list was described as anything but "influential" I probably wouldn't have taken exception to it. It is clear we influence the market (as much or more than anyone else on Twitter), what do the others influence?

I'll stand by my statement!

I agree with this; I'm just as confused by their headline.

[Beyond the Bets]

(07-12-2012 11:52 AM)Edward-RAS Wrote:  I'll stand by my statement!

I think you're making way too big a deal over this.

The list clearly isn't trying to rank a person - or outlet's - ability to influence the betting market.

-Scott Van Pelt doesn't tweet "plays."
-David Purdum regularly admits that he bets $10 or $20 per game.
-Todd Fuhrman doesn't disclose information about his book or about games that would "influence" the market.

So, while the list is perhaps poorly phrased, I don't understand how you're viewing the exclusion of RAS Picks as ill conceived. The list, as I understand it, was meant to highlight or showcase sports betting folks who are active on Twitter and who put out information (or plays) regularly. Sure, most on the list have decently large followings, but the common thread is that all are active daily and visible on Twitter.

RAS Picks, again, has four tweets since June 1st.

Surely you can see how WagerMinds might have "forgotten" about the account. To be honest, I had completely forgotten about it, too.

[Edward-RAS]

(07-12-2012 12:46 PM)Beyond the Bets Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 11:52 AM)Edward-RAS Wrote:  I'll stand by my statement!

I think you're making way too big a deal over this.

The list clearly isn't trying to rank a person - or outlet's - ability to influence the betting market.

-Scott Van Pelt doesn't tweet "plays."
-David Purdum regularly admits that he bets $10 or $20 per game.
-Todd Fuhrman doesn't disclose information about his book or about games that would "influence" the market.

So, while the list is perhaps poorly phrased, I don't understand how you're viewing the exclusion of RAS Picks as ill conceived. The list, as I understand it, was meant to highlight or showcase sports betting folks who are active on Twitter and who put out information (or plays) regularly. Sure, most on the list have decently large followings, but the common thread is that all are active daily and visible on Twitter.

RAS Picks, again, has four tweets since June 1st.

Surely you can see how WagerMinds might have "forgotten" about the account. To be honest, I had completely forgotten about it, too.

Agree, I am making too big of a deal about it.

Agree, it was poorly phrased (description) for what it was, because again, what do the people on this list influence? If he had called it fun, informative, interesting, social, even sharp would have been less of a stretch. That was my biggest complaint about the whole thing.

Wagerminds interviewed and featured us in an article last year, and people who work there subscribe to our service. We just tweeted a WNBA 2h winner six days ago. They definitely should be aware of the account.

[Beyond the Bets]

The takeaway from this shouldn't be, "We were left off a silly subjective list that has zero relevance and is completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things."

Instead, it should be, "We are a good service, we have good information, and perhaps we can make ourselves more visible publicly by tweeting more than once per week on average, that way more people are aware of how amazing we are."

[Beyond the Bets]

Hopefully this will put an end to #RASgate