Jack Zito / Covers thread

[JSpauny]

I'm with Sky. Using their real name doesn't matter to me one bit. Actors and musicians change their names all the time to have a "catchier" name. Writers do it to. The name part isn't important.

Transparency and honesty are. Lifetime records should be easily displayed and available even if it's in the negatives (which is bad for pick selling and thus why the industry as a whole sucks). I'd feel much better about a website that stated this tout only hit at 40% last year so we're discounting his picks or something than them saying (to use a Pregame type thing) "55% on L/10 Super Duper Retire Now Wednesday Night 3rd Week in May BOMBS" just to promote the guy. That's the shady part. Pregame loves to hype the last 3-10 titled plays which is complete and utter bullshit in my eyes.

[Cafe Latte]

Vegas Runner is a catchy name but when it's probably your third or fourth made up name and your a proven loser then Pregame should get called out on their tactics. While some of the other fake names are popular within the industry it doesn't mean shit unless they are real or winning and Pregame has a stable of LOSERS! Their real names are guarded as much as possible because they usually have criminal records and people would love to get a hold of them because they are losing scammers.

[ChiefZilla]

What's funny about Vegas Runner, to me, is he usually seems fairly insightful whenever I listen to one of their videos or podcasts (which has become increasingly rare). But I guess insight doesn't lead to wins, in his case.

[Dougie99999]

I wonder if it is actually VR running his Twitter account. Outside of all the steam tweets he actually seems like he knows what he is talking about. Does anyone have a long-term record on him?

Then again, the guy dresses like a complete dick head. http://pregame.com/pregamepros/pro-betto...perId=8573

[Cafe Latte]

If these guys were successful at betting games they wouldn't be driving 10 year old crappy cars and living in condos and apartments.

[Beyond the Bets]

(04-23-2012 02:18 PM)Cafe Latte Wrote:  Vegas Runner is a catchy name but when it's probably your third or fourth made up name and your a proven loser then Pregame should get called out on their tactics. While some of the other fake names are popular within the industry it doesn't mean shit unless they are real or winning and Pregame has a stable of LOSERS! Their real names are guarded as much as possible because they usually have criminal records and people would love to get a hold of them because they are losing scammers.

No disrespect, but you aren't breaking any news with regard to Pregame handicappers. Yes, we're well aware: 66 percent of their touts are documented long-term losers per the SBR tracking thread. But at the same time, they are far more transparent — and far more real — than Covers handicappers could ever hope to be.

Vegas Runner is a "stage name," but he has a real name and most in the industry know it. Gill Alexander isn't a real name, but he's a real person. I've met him. A number of their cappers — from VR to Philly (he's gone now) to Leonard to Marco, etc. — do, in fact, bet games that they release plays on.

Do all of them? Certainly not. But some do.

I've been one of Pregame's most vocal critics, and have shared my criticisms with RJ Bell — on Twitter, by e-mail and even in person. While Pregame still falls woefully short of standards that I think industry-leading sites should hold themselves to, they're actually ahead of Covers on many levels, including transparency.

I mean, come on: Covers shows its cappers' last 10 picks only. Like, why even bother?

[Beyond the Bets]

(04-23-2012 02:31 PM)Dougie99999 Wrote:  I wonder if it is actually VR running his Twitter account. Outside of all the steam tweets he actually seems like he knows what he is talking about. Does anyone have a long-term record on him?

The only long-term record that I know of is in the SBR thread.

[Cafe Latte]

Covers might be better than Pregame but that's subjective. Covers involving the Jack Zito and the made up latin or mexican name did things that you don't expect from a top rated handicapping company and should have been exposed and they were when it happened but Pregame has way more made up people and their results where about only 25-30% handicappers are winning are real negatives. There's a reason so many handicappers were working at both sites at the same time and it's because they both aren't on the up and up.

[Beyond the Bets]

(04-23-2012 03:35 PM)Cafe Latte Wrote:  Covers might be better than Pregame but that's subjective. Covers involving the Jack Zito and the made up latin or mexican name did things that you don't expect from a top rated handicapping company and should have been exposed and they were when it happened but Pregame has way more made up people and their results where about only 25-30% handicappers are winning are real negatives. There's a reason so many handicappers were working at both sites at the same time and it's because they both aren't on the up and up.

Who else do you think is fake at Covers?

There are two on my list of suspects.

[Dougie99999]

Quote:Who else do you think is fake at Covers?

There are two on my list of suspects.

I think Power, Chan, and Pedro Sanchez are all fakes. IMHO

[Cafe Latte]

Chan, Power and Pedro Sanchez are fake and Sean Murphy could be for all I know. They sure tried to hit every nationality and Murphy covers the Irish angle. I believe David Chan was their first made up person and was created after someone at Covers saw an asian guy was kicking ass on his picks in a Reno, Nevada newspaper contest. They only have 10 cappers left at the Covers site and if Sean Murphy is made up 40% of their cappers don't even exist. Covers AND Pregame are both a joke!

[Beyond the Bets]

For what it's worth, I've personally exchanged a few e-mails with someone operating a Sean Murphy e-mail address, and the person on the other end at least had some semblance of a clue when it came to handicapping.

As for Chan, and GSP in particular, Covers won't even respond to my queries looking to speak with him.

[Cafe Latte]

I knew for sure Chan was made up. Just because someone is operating a Sean Murphy e mail address it doesn't mean they are Sean Murphy. I could create an e mail address from hotmail like SeanMurphy1234@hotmail.com within 10 minutes and answer your questions and sound like I've got a clue. It's probably the owner of Covers or their tech guy responding to your e mails. R. J Bell sounds like he's got a clue but if you hear him talk for more than 5 minutes you realize the guy only has a limited knowledge of sports gambling. I've hear R.J Bell speak many times and I'm not impressed at all.

[Dougie99999]

Agree on everything that's being said here. RJ seems like an "OK" dude, but this is the guy that ESPN brings on weekly? Give me a break, the guy has ZERO personality and has tired to scam people multiple times with the entire Vegas Runner thing. And again, this is the guy representing sports betting on ESPN. If the man knew anything he wouldn't be hiring punks to sell picks on his site. He'd be doing it himself.

As for Covers, I forgot to mention Sean Murphy as a possible fake - good looks whoever brought that up. Being that Covers is located in Ireland it makes sense they would have someone branded to his theme. Along with Chan to Asians, GSP to Mexicans (can they afford to bet, let alone buy picks?), and Power for rich white dudes. I mean seriously, a handicapper with the last name Power? That's the corniest marketing ploy I've ever seen....

[Cafe Latte]

I didn't know Covers was located in Ireland. That's the clincher. Now I'm 95% sure he's made up. I love when people say this or that person is a good dude. When your scamming people your not a good dude. RJ Bell has a limited knowledge of sports gambling. The guy that interviews him Millman is pathetic!

[SkyBlues42]

Are they located in Ireland, or in Canada? Or both?

[Dougie99999]

Covers is in Ireland and Covers Experts in Canada is my understanding....

[Cafe Latte]

What's the difference between Covers and Covers Experts? I type in covers.com and coversexperts.com and both home pages seem to be similar and the same 10 handicappers are representing both companies.

[ChiefZilla]

(04-24-2012 07:10 AM)Cafe Latte Wrote:  What's the difference between Covers and Covers Experts? I type in covers.com and coversexperts.com and both home pages seem to be similar and the same 10 handicappers are representing both companies.

This. Very relevant question, I think.

As far as I'm concerned, there doesn't seem to be a difference.

[Beyond the Bets]

It's all under the same umbrella. CoversExperts.com is not a domain. Experts.Covers.com is the subdomain.