Fantasy Baseball

[JSpauny]

The only issue is on Tuesdays I work 5-9 CDT. So earliest I'll be home is 9:20 CDT.

I'm fine with missing the first few rounds if there are a lot of east coast guys. Not a big deal. Just if everyone is cool with bumping it 15-45 minutes that'd be cool too. But like I said, not a huge deal if there are a ton of East coast people, because this would affect them more than me.

[spanishredeye]

Im CST and can wait an extra half hour if everyone else agrees.
You owe me two times now.

[JSpauny]

(03-19-2012 02:51 PM)spanishredeye Wrote:  Im CST and can wait an extra half hour if everyone else agrees.
You owe me two times now.

Thanks man, and yes I am in your debt. Maybe I'll let a good player slip to you.

[mattrud]

Sent the money and should be ready to draft at some odd hour in the night in Denmark... didn't have a utility bill to verify my name, so it'll say my mom, Cheryl, sent it

[SkyBlues42]

Not sure if this is the all purpose fantasy thread.. but here goes:

If there was a 2-for-1 trade .. would you rather be the team receiving two players, or one?

[JSpauny]

(03-20-2012 02:27 PM)SkyBlues42 Wrote:  Not sure if this is the all purpose fantasy thread.. but here goes:

If there was a 2-for-1 trade .. would you rather be the team receiving two players, or one?

I don't know if it applies for every situation. For example if I was to somehow work a miggy for upton and longo type deal (aka top 3 overall for 2 guys between 7-15) I would take the 2 in a heartbeat. However for the majority of trades I want to be the guy getting the 1 player.

In fantasy baseball there are just too many question marks. I never want to give up a
stud for question marks b/c there are really only so many stud players at each position.

Really I'm only taking the 2 if I know they can fill categories that the one can't. For example Miggy for Upton & Longo. I'm losing some BA, but I'm picking up more RBI, R, HR and SBs. Plus at 3B, minus BA, Longo is roughly the same stat filler as Miggy and you get a couple SBs.


This really depends on situation though. In a deep dynasty league I'm in I recently traded Crawford, Jesus Montero and Nick Castellanos(a top 3B prospect) for Longo. I was very happy with the trade even though I was giving up a ton. 3 question marks for one guy I know can go .280/30/110 score 90 Runs and steal 5-10 bags at a premium position. I know Longo will be a top 2 3B for the next 7 years. Can't say the same about any of the 3 I traded.

[SkyBlues42]

I see your point. To comment on the "losing BA" aspect of the response.. I don't buy into BA that much. I'd gladly take someone like Mark Reynolds over a 3b that hits .300 and has half the production in terms of HR's, RBI's etc.

Will I load my team up with Carlos Pena, Mark Reynolds and Adam Dunn?.. No. But I don't put much weight into batting average if the other numbers are really productive.

[JSpauny]

(03-20-2012 03:02 PM)SkyBlues42 Wrote:  I see your point. To comment on the "losing BA" aspect of the response.. I don't buy into BA that much. I'd gladly take someone like Mark Reynolds over a 3b that hits .300 and has half the production in terms of HR's, RBI's etc.

Will I load my team up with Carlos Pena, Mark Reynolds and Adam Dunn?.. No. But I don't put much weight into batting average if the other numbers are really productive.

It depends on the league. In a roto league, neglecting BA is a recipe for disaster. If you don't get some high BA guys to supplement the lower guys, you're looking at a 5 or less in that category which means you better nail the other 4 on offense. In roto, neglecting categories seriously puts you behind the 8Ball.

In a H2H league, neglecting BA isn't as huge a deal because in a given week Reynolds might bat .330 and in the weeks he bats .150 he'll contribute at least in the other categories.

Overall though, I stay away from guys who are Power but very low BA (Ryan Howard for example) because they only fill 2 or 3 categories (HR, RBI and sometimes R). If they don't have any speed, they'll kill you in SB and AVG.

Now obviously not every player is a SB guy and it's easy to fix an SB problem with one player, but IMO Avg shouldn't be neglected, unless it's one or two guys and you have some balancers (aka guys that hit .300+). If you draft Reyes and Miggy by all means go with a .220 guy who kills it in HR because you have 2 who will probably eclipse .310.

This all really depends on the situation. Everything in fantasy is contextually based.

Really, everything has its merits as long as it's being used in the proper situation.

[kreatture]

I haven't visited this thread in forever.. I see on the Yahoo League page it says draft time right now is 9:45 ET. Not sure if that's been changed or if you are still debating about changing it.

I hope that's the final set time, cuz that is 10:45pm my time. At the very latest I would like to start by 11pm which is 7pm PT & 10pm ET.

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(03-17-2012 07:32 AM)Skating Tripods Wrote:  Hoping I don't have to track guys down for money, but let's go with $25 Paypal'd to me at skatingtripods@gmail.com.

I don't keep money in my paypal account so I'll have to transfer some in there and then I'll transfer to yourself. Not sure how long that takes but I'll do it right now.

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It says it will take 6-8 business days to transfer from my canadian bank account. I deposited $25.20 Canadian which is the current equivalent to $25 american right now.

[SkyBlues42]

(03-20-2012 03:19 PM)JSpauny Wrote:  It depends on the league. In a roto league, neglecting BA is a recipe for disaster. If you don't get some high BA guys to supplement the lower guys, you're looking at a 5 or less in that category which means you better nail the other 4 on offense. In roto, neglecting categories seriously puts you behind the 8Ball.

In a H2H league, neglecting BA isn't as huge a deal because in a given week Reynolds might bat .330 and in the weeks he bats .150 he'll contribute at least in the other categories.

Overall though, I stay away from guys who are Power but very low BA (Ryan Howard for example) because they only fill 2 or 3 categories (HR, RBI and sometimes R). If they don't have any speed, they'll kill you in SB and AVG.

Now obviously not every player is a SB guy and it's easy to fix an SB problem with one player, but IMO Avg shouldn't be neglected, unless it's one or two guys and you have some balancers (aka guys that hit .300+). If you draft Reyes and Miggy by all means go with a .220 guy who kills it in HR because you have 2 who will probably eclipse .310.

This all really depends on the situation. Everything in fantasy is contextually based.

Really, everything has its merits as long as it's being used in the proper situation.

I see your point. In my case, it's head-to-head. And I actually have Reyes at SS. Maybe that's why it's not a big deal to me, along with a few others that will have high averages. But I still don't put an emphasis on batting average, mostly because the league average has been lowering over the years.

There are far more players that hit around .250 than over .310. So getting someone that is just below (or at) the league average, while gaining 30+ hrs and 80-100 RBI's isn't bad at all.

[JSpauny]

(03-20-2012 03:44 PM)SkyBlues42 Wrote:  I see your point. In my case, it's head-to-head. And I actually have Reyes at SS. Maybe that's why it's not a big deal to me, along with a few others that will have high averages. But I still don't put an emphasis on batting average, mostly because the league average has been lowering over the years.

There are far more players that hit around .250 than over .310. So getting someone that is just below (or at) the league average, while gaining 30+ hrs and 80-100 RBI's isn't bad at all.

You're absolutely correct on the last point. Can't fault the logic there.

I absolutely value power over BA, but I always supplement if I have to go way down in BA. I'd prefer the 4 or 5 cat guys that can hit .290+, but in the later rounds especially, I'll sacrifice BA for power because power is hard to come by. A guy can get lucky and hit .290 but it's much much harder for a guy to get lucky and randomly hit 30 bombs (although Asdrubal did it last year, it's still very rare).

[SkyBlues42]

Let me ask this.. I know it all depends on what player's you have to offer.. but lets say I wanted Ellsbury, and wanted to give two players in return. Again, I know it all depends on positional need, etc. But what range of players do you think I'd need to part with.

Like.. a Jay Bruce caliber replacement? Plus one more. Or someone like David Price?

[JSpauny]

Let's start with overall rank/value. Ellsbury is a bonifide top 10 player maybe even top 5. He certainly won't go 30/30 again but there are very few players who can go 25/35 with a .300 AVG, 100+ Runs, and a decent RBI contribution. So in terms of value Ellsbury is going to rate near the top. The problem is if his current owner thinks 30+ HRs is expected again and overvalues the shit out of him. In this case, I'd hammer in the career high ISO (80 points higher than his previous high in the majors) and the absurdly high 16.7% HR/FB. His power numbers aren't sustainable so if the current owner thinks so, you're either going to have to pay a higher premium or talk him out of it.

If it were me, my rule is if you want one of my top 10 guys you better be giving me at least 2 guys who are in the top 20-25. It's also a personal rule to never trade top hitters for pitchers, but people certainly do so I'll answer as though I would make that deal. I'm also on the hardball side of trades. I'll extract every ounce of value from a trade so I tend to ask for a wee bit more than some.

Bruce probably rates in the 30-40 range depending on who you ask. I'm a big Bruce guy so I'd peg him closer to 30 but people shy away from him because of the K rate and BA so his value could be lower. If it were me, I would ask for at least 2 players in the Bruce range (30-40) and a top 30-40ish pitcher for a guy like Ellsbury.

Honestly, based on the names you suggested, it would certainly have to be Bruce and Price as the starting point to get Ellsbury. If it were me, I would ask for another player (more in the top 60ish position player since Price is much better). However, I could certainly see someone accepting a Bruce and Price for Ellsbury deal.

If it were me I would either start the offer with Bruce and another similar value player (not lower, either the same level or higher), Bruce and Price, or Price and a player a little lower than Bruce. This will at least allow you to gauge the market. Best case, he accepts one of these and you make out like a bandit. Otherwise, he declines and you can at least get a read on the market value of Ellsbury. Like I said before, if it were me I would want more, but there are people that would pull the trigger on Bruce and Price, which is a steal. As a general rule, I also always lowball the first offer to see if I can either A) trade rape the guy or B) get a good read on the value the guy wants in return.

[Skating Tripods]

The 27th is the last day that we can draft because the season starts with SEA-OAK in Japan (or wherever) on the 28th.

So, we can't make it that late because of Mr. Lucky and can't make it earlier because of JS.

Anybody opposed to drafting on the 26th at say 9:30 pm EST? Maybe 9:15?

[JSpauny]

I can draft at anytime on the 26th. Both those times work fine for me.

[spanishredeye]

The Monday (26th) works much better for me as well.

[illadelphia]

I can do the 26th also

[Skating Tripods]

Maybe we'll try for even earlier, then. Make it easier on everyone in case it runs long. Maybe more like 8 or 8:30. Or possibly 9. I don't think we have any West Coasters (besides obie) in the league, but I could be wrong.

[spanishredeye]

Im available anytime after 4:30pm CST on Monday.

[illadelphia]

(03-21-2012 11:43 AM)Skating Tripods Wrote:  Maybe we'll try for even earlier, then. Make it easier on everyone in case it runs long. Maybe more like 8 or 8:30. Or possibly 9. I don't think we have any West Coasters (besides obie) in the league, but I could be wrong.

west coaster here.

5pm PST is as early as I can go unless the first few rounds aren't important and everyone is just gonna take catchers