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RE: The Philly Godfather thread - mount187 - 12-25-2011 06:54 PM
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - jimmysingh9 - 12-25-2011 08:53 PM
I think the popcorn can be finished.
I will apologize to PhillyGodFather on here. I did not know him at all and I was quick to judge him on certain things based on stereotypes and other things.
While we may disagree on his style, It seems like he is a good guy after all this. This isnt about how good of a capper he is, it is about who he was as a person and from sources he is a good guy out here. And that is what matters
So PhillyGodfahter I apologize and hope to see you more around here in the future.
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - louiemdj - 12-25-2011 09:19 PM
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - jimmysingh9 - 12-25-2011 09:38 PM
(12-25-2011 09:19 PM)louiemdj Wrote:
i'll take the ball busting. but its far from a love thing. It's more I'll leave you alone thing lol.
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - JayPrimetown - 12-26-2011 09:21 AM
Road trip to Delaware...
We'll call it... "A Day with the Godfather"
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - itg_sports - 12-26-2011 11:47 AM
If we are the Children, and Philly God Father is the God Father, then is Beyond the Bets Michael Corleone? Humble and Naive at the moment but sure to eventually be sending "say hello to my little friend" tweets with 10 team $500 parlay tickets? Wait...that's Scarface.
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - phillygodfather - 12-27-2011 12:27 PM
. A lot of the publics perception of wise guys is what they see in the movies. Sure there might be a bunch of Joe Pesci wannabes and a lot of thugs, but the guys who run the gambling aspect of the operations are some goodfellas who might of studied at MIT. The guys I know educated me about game theory and probabilities, all they talk about is rational choice under uncertainty and the expected utility theory. My favorite is the application of Nash equilibrium. Have I lost you yet?
So if you want to become a real handicapper, a course in micro economic theory would be a good place to start. The gambling business is a multi-billion dollar a year monster. If you want to really grab a piece of the action, gain as much knowledge as you can. So next time you see a real Wise Guy in Vegas, offer to buy him a Philly cheese steak and in return he might supply you with some good information on what team to bet on. And if you mention my name, he might even offer you some steam!!!!!!!!!!!
I really dont have a clue about what I just wrote, I need to stop talking this way YO, Get $$$$ Yo..
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - mount187 - 12-27-2011 01:46 PM
I think what you're talking about is the problem for 99% of the people here. We don't know anybody on the inside (or at least we don't think we do). If you don't live in a place where gambling is a way of life, how would you ever know anyone with the kind of information you're talking about? It's not like people "in the know" want to go blabbing about on the internet with all of their trade secrets. I can be incredibly frustrating.
[Edit] I think that's why some people get frustrated when someone comes in here (where we're trying to learn) and posts huge winning tickets with tags like, "If you guys knew what I knew you could get rich too!" I think everywhere here would like to know more, but some of us just need help moving in the right direction.
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - Beyond the Bets - 12-27-2011 01:51 PM
Mount,
The internet is the ultimate equalizer. I have met tons of great people online who I exchange information with, and some of them I've never actually met in person. It's easy to cultivate sources and build networks on the Internet — the key is to talk conversationally rather than putting them to sleep with algorithms, math formulas and, hey, I am starting to be mean!
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - mount187 - 12-27-2011 02:08 PM
(12-27-2011 01:51 PM)Beyond the Bets Wrote: ... the key is to talk conversationally rather than putting them to sleep with algorithms, math formulas and, hey, I am starting to be mean!
You bastard! hahaha
My biggest thing is that most people I've come across online are VERY secretive about how they go about handicapping. I don't know the real reason, but I suspect that with most people it's a) they don't want a lot of people doing what they're doing, fearing that if everyone did it, it may not work anymore, or b) they feel like their methods are inferior, and they're afraid to get called out for doing what they do, even if it's profitable.
Hopefully I'm way off on my theory, and I just haven't run across the right people yet. There is plenty of information exchanged here, and I think most people feel like this is a "safe" place to explain how they do what they do without fear of being harassed. It could also be that, like you mentioned in your latest blog entry, I'm being lazy and not looking hard enough. If that's the end result, then I accept that I'm a lazy turd, and will eventually dig deep enough to get better direction.
:)
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - Whiskeytown - 12-27-2011 02:26 PM
I don't care who did/didn't go to college.... if you can't figure out and properly execute your/you're, you need to fix it ASAP.
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - jimmysingh9 - 12-27-2011 02:36 PM
(12-27-2011 02:08 PM)mount187 Wrote:(12-27-2011 01:51 PM)Beyond the Bets Wrote: ... the key is to talk conversationally rather than putting them to sleep with algorithms, math formulas and, hey, I am starting to be mean!
You bastard! hahaha
My biggest thing is that most people I've come across online are VERY secretive about how they go about handicapping. I don't know the real reason, but I suspect that with most people it's a) they don't want a lot of people doing what they're doing, fearing that if everyone did it, it may not work anymore, or b) they feel like their methods are inferior, and they're afraid to get called out for doing what they do, even if it's profitable.
Hopefully I'm way off on my theory, and I just haven't run across the right people yet. There is plenty of information exchanged here, and I think most people feel like this is a "safe" place to explain how they do what they do without fear of being harassed. It could also be that, like you mentioned in your latest blog entry, I'm being lazy and not looking hard enough. If that's the end result, then I accept that I'm a lazy turd, and will eventually dig deep enough to get better direction.
:)
agree with this sentiment 100%
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - mount187 - 12-27-2011 03:06 PM
I did forget part c) of why I think people don't help, and one of BTB's blog posts triggered it.
c) I think some people are afraid to give bad advice.
BTB mentioned that he doesn't give out a lot of plays, because he knows people will take them without doing any research. I think some people are afraid to show how they look at game, because they don't want to hear the reaction if someone tries their methods and they don't work.
I give out plays/leans/game advice on Twitter all the time, and I hate it. But, people keep asking for it, so I do it. I don't know if it's successful or not, because frankly I don't track it (I don't post every bet I make on Twitter, especially the live stuff I do in soccer; it's too time sensitive). I used to hate losing, because I lost money, but now I hate losing, because I know other people have lost money. No matter how many plays win, or how much good betting advice I give out, the losses hurt 10k times worse.
Knowing that, I can see why some people don't share their information. Some people can't deal with having their persona, of being a hot-shot gambler, busted when they give out advice and it blows up. I try to be understanding of this when looking for advice, but hopefully we'll get more and more people here that trust that they're giving good advice, and will give it knowing that they're trying to help, instead of sitting on the sidelines.
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - Beyond the Bets - 12-27-2011 03:14 PM
I'm not fearful of giving out plays, though I do feel guilty if one that I give out loses. The risk/reward is extremely skewed when you give out plays, however. If you give out a losing pick, you'll get killed on Twitter. If you give out a winning pick, you might — MIGHT — get a "thank you."
In any case, I don't take myself too seriously, so my life is unaffected. Criticism or praise, I could care less.
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - SkyBlues42 - 12-27-2011 03:16 PM
(12-27-2011 02:08 PM)mount187 Wrote: My biggest thing is that most people I've come across online are VERY secretive about how they go about handicapping. I don't know the real reason, but I suspect that with most people it's a) they don't want a lot of people doing what they're doing, fearing that if everyone did it, it may not work anymore, or b) they feel like their methods are inferior, and they're afraid to get called out for doing what they do, even if it's profitable.
You nailed it. I like to think that people that are secretive are a little insecure about their techniques. Afraid to get criticized about a method, even if it works (as you mentioned). Or they sell plays.
At the same time, I think people like lets say... Philly Godfather, might be 'secretive' because he doesn't want to either A.) give up his sources, or B.) he's just being respectful of his friends, that might want to stay anonymous. Good information is difficult to find. And if he has a access to info that we can only dream of having, then why not keep it quiet?
If he shared everything with everyone, he could lose his edge, which is something he's obviously earned over the years.
Just my opinion.
But, if I had that information, I'd obviously share it with you guys on the forum.
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - mount187 - 12-27-2011 03:18 PM
(12-27-2011 03:14 PM)Beyond the Bets Wrote: In any case, I don't take myself too seriously, so my life is unaffected. Criticism or praise, I could care less.
I'm the same way as you in that regard. I don't do it for accolades, and I don't care when other people get actively frustrated with me, because my sarcastic nature is set up for those kinds of situations.
I just hate the thought of someone else losing their money because of me. My brain knows that they make their own decisions, but for some reason it refuses to acknowledge that. Instead I have crazy thoughts like, "What if some idiot put his house payment on that play?! What if some guy is going to owe his bookie a ton of money and get his fingers broken if this loses?! FML, I hope they cover!" I'm pretty sure I'm insane.
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - phillygodfather - 12-27-2011 07:54 PM
(12-27-2011 03:18 PM)mount187 Wrote:(12-27-2011 03:14 PM)Beyond the Bets Wrote: In any case, I don't take myself too seriously, so my life is unaffected. Criticism or praise, I could care less.
I'm the same way as you in that regard. I don't do it for accolades, and I don't care when other people get actively frustrated with me, because my sarcastic nature is set up for those kinds of situations.
I just hate the thought of someone else losing their money because of me. My brain knows that they make their own decisions, but for some reason it refuses to acknowledge that. Instead I have crazy thoughts like, "What if some idiot put his house payment on that play?! What if some guy is going to owe his bookie a ton of money and get his fingers broken if this loses?! FML, I hope they cover!" I'm pretty sure I'm insane.
Stay Away from the Marble Games.. LMAO..
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - itg_sports - 12-27-2011 08:29 PM
Ok, its settled. This thread has officially replaced the off topic/squirrels in the attic as my favorite.
We have So Money and PGF frequenting this forum and to me personally... That kicks ass.
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - Beyond the Bets - 12-28-2011 03:19 PM
PHILLY COPPERFIELD!
RE: The Philly Godfather thread - louiemdj - 12-28-2011 06:57 PM
(12-27-2011 03:18 PM)mount187 Wrote: "What if some idiot put his house payment on that play?! What if some guy is going to owe his bookie a ton of money and get his fingers broken if this loses?! FML, I hope they cover!" I'm pretty sure I'm insane.
If that is the case, they will find another way to lose it whether youpost your picks or not.
(12-27-2011 08:29 PM)itg_sports Wrote: Ok, its settled. This thread has officially replaced the off topic/squirrels in the attic as my favorite.
